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Mature Content Filter is On. The Artist has chosen to restrict viewing to deviants 18 and older.
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unfortunately, the usual quota of schoolchild comments. It is time consuming, but how can one do otherwise than remove to them. The choice is either that or no longer to post such works.

.. in the meantime, you cannot imagine some of the comical attempts at insults I have had to respond to .. !

Hmm, it is a little distresing nevertheless when a serious attempt at photography is often greeted with little interest whereas a silly photo like this has over 700 downloads in 24 hours !
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Annabells117 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013
John- your work is lovely. I notice in your gallery (& others) the difference in viewer response among photos is often due to the model. Most people favor the feminine, more realistically proportioned models. Also, 'natural & effortless' beauty is the hardest to capture and often most powerful in art. The masters knew this, and its the basis for the lasting popularity of the Mona Lisa, Degas' dancers, etc. And it's why this photo of yours has so many downloads. The pose feels relaxed, the face is playful, and the model has natural breasts, no obvious makeup, simple hair, no fake tan, proportional arms and legs, and even a few freckles/ moles. Plus, the composition and color really contribute to this images appeal (in my opinion) -beautiful limited palette distributed throughout and achieves a restful mood

My point is that a photo's artistic merit is not related to its level of drama, contrast or effort put into it. This work, Untitled 1729, plays hard to get. And does it well

Bravo
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013
Thank you for your comment, much appreciated, John
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GTracer88 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013
Perfectly captured... Beautifully posed!!
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Lone-Wolf2012 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012
When I see a picture like this then I always wonder about how you are able to capture the beauty of your models the way you do. A lot is obviously about choosing the right lightning, the perspective and other camera related technical things with which I am still struggling, but there is more about your pictures than just that.

In fact even your most explicit shots – this is obviously not one of them – indicate that your models trust you, and that is what differentiates your work from porn, I think. You do not present your models as ‘fresh meat’ ready to be consumed, you present them in a way that shows your appreciation for for the female body, but also your appreciation for the female soul. Your models seem to feel this appreciation and answer it with trust, trust that unlocks a level of beauty that most photographers will never be able to capture.

If I should ever become good enough with the technical aspects of photography to decide to hire an actual model, then I really hope that I will be able to unlock exactly this level of beauty as well.
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BringerOfStorms Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"Hmm, it is a little distresing nevertheless when a serious attempt at photography is often greeted with little interest whereas a silly photo like this has over 700 downloads in 24 hours !"

I totally get where you are going but from my point of view (and I guess my own personal reactions) is that photos like this (candid "real world") are relateable to those of us who don't have experience with nude women in any other context. From a "gut feeling" point of view something like this really hits hard and fast. Many more artistic images take some time and investment to hit home. Not sure if that makes any sense, but there ya go from a lay person.

Your whole gallery is great. Keep up the stellar work.

Best,
~BoS
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Of course I understand your point. That is why I took the photo and now am showing it. There is a distinction however between an "artistic nude" and a purely "glamour" shot, and sometimes an artist craves for recognition of the more subtle work .. : -). Many thanks for passing by.
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BonesNH Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Great idea - pose seems "forced", her neck is straining...also position on the couch should be more natural and take into account where she is on it. That being said, the lighting's nice and the model is really beautiful.
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Well, maybe if we changed all the things you mention, it wouldn't have the same appeal .. : -)
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jkalex3355 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
beautiful !
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derekjones Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
lovely colours, tones, pose and what an amazing model!
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Spider32460 Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Nice. She has beautiful lines.. you captured a unique expression. Great job. The female form is still the most artworthy in all mediums. There is not a medication to fix immaturity yet.. but don't let them hinder your own passions.
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GooseSA Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
She is a beautiful model. When your subject is beautiful women, it is easy not to look at the surrounding elements of the shot. Perhaps it is a testament to your craft that she is the main focus for some commenters?
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
I appreciate your point, but it is the focus of the comments and vocabulary that is most often objectionable.
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GooseSA Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012
I fully understand, but that is not something you will ever be able to educate the vast majority on. Keep up the great work!
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kaid23 Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I haven't seen any of your other work, but I understand your point. All you can really do is accept the fact that many people on here are only here to look at naked women.
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Well, if at least the looked and kept quiet !
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kaid23 Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha, definitely better than being rude and obnoxious.
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zenbaboon Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i do understand your feelings about the "schoolchild comments", but as a heterosexual male, i was drawn to click on the thumbnail to this pic for both the natural/playful mood of the photo, as well as the model's truly gorgeous anatomy that the photo and the pose brought to the fore. As a side note, I feel the photo lacks a bit of "breathing space" towards the top.
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2012
I agree, thank you. I cropped it a little too tightly, but I can correct it on the original. As for the model, this is "glamour photography" of course, with no other pretensions than that. Thank you for passing by.
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alexandergras Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2012
The "schoolchild comments", I believe, are an attempt at coming into contact ("touching") something that the commenter knows will forever remain out of reach.

Beauty is bearable only if it is reachable. Kim Stanley Robinson (in his novel "A Short, Sharp Shock") wrote: "Beauty is the promise of happiness." But if that happiness remains unachievable, beauty become painful.

When I look at images like these, they make me cry. Because they show me, what I can never have. They emphasize my loneliness. And a comment fantasizing about what I would like to experience with this girl, will make this wound more bearable.

I understand that those comments are not welcome to most models, but at the same time the whole world would be a better place, if some women understood the deep desperation that many men feel when they see them, and not ridicule and despise them for it.
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2012
This comment seems more suitable for a psychology class than for an art forum. Nevertheless, no one has spoken of ridicule or of despising anyone. Some of the remarks are just plain vulgar and they have no place here, period. There is nothing to be gained by offending the models, this is an art discussion forum, not a playground for juveniles.

We are all faced with frustrations at different levels of our lives. Most of the things we want are attainable to a certain degree, albeit not always to the extent that we would like, but life is a struggle and part of the challenge is reaching for what is unobtainable. Without this, there would be no incentive to move forwards, it is a biological fact and necessity.

To put things in perspective nevertheless, an artist attempts to idealize the conditions which he describes, just as is the case with your milk caption, which incidentally is very nicely done. In a way, through this idealization we strive for the unattainable in order to move beyond the boredom and banality of the mundane. This is a lovely young lady indeed, but if you walked into a café, you would not turn your head to look at her again. We need to dream in our lives, it should not be a source of regret. Best wishes my friend.
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M59Photography Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012  Professional Photographer
"... if you walked into a café, you would not turn your head to look at her again..."
John:
I don't know what was said in the hidden posts, but if you don't want to offend your model I'd take THAT line down...yesterday.
What I see here is an attractive model in a somewhat interesting pose, inifferently lit, on a sofa that's only half a tone darker than she is...apparently w/o styling or makeup. What I see here is an...outtake. This one should have stayed in the can. You've done better work than this, and likely so has she.
Or maybe I just don't like beige.
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2012
You are perfectly free to like photo or not and to criticize it, thank you for doing so. As regards the model, she prides herself in being just an ordinary university student that does not want to draw any undue attention to herself. No makeup, no glamorous clothing and certainly no nudity in a café. No, you wouldn't notice her and she wouldn't want you to either.

That said, I may buy a new couch for my next shoot, since you obviously don't find this one suitable. However, with almost nine hundred downloads of the shot in a couple of days, I think that some people appear to consider it worth posting. I'm sorry you don't, even if I clearly state in the introduction that there is no attempt at creating art here, it's just a glamour snapshot.
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M59Photography Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2012  Professional Photographer
Well...as H.L. Menkin said, "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public"...and if this image is being downloaded far more frequently than many of your other images, it plays into something I far too often find myself saying at work: "these people wouldn't know good design if it walked up to them, introduced itself...and punched them in the face!"
I'd love to see some of your other work with her...hell, if I wasn't on the wrong coast (assumption there) I'd LOVE to work with her.
Anyway...don't buy a new couch on my account. That one looks comfy, even if it is beige.
Carry on.
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Talasha Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012
Wonderful arrangment and beautiful model
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LordDeathRaven Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012
Censoring criticism invalidates your work.

It would be better to just ignore it.
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JohnPeri Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012
I do not agree at all my friend. I do NOT censor comments relating to the photography. I censor as you call it comments relating to the model's anatomy that they above all find intolerable. I would have imagined that was obvious to all the artists on this site.
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Oddsakura Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012
It's all in the best possible taste, and I do mean that. You do get the feeling that the subject is a mite amused
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